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Post by liferreilly on May 25, 2020 16:20:50 GMT
Lifer - Serving Life in Britain (1982)
An old documentary I stumbled across on Youtube (which has barely been viewed!) Contains footage from inside some of Britain's prisons
and interviews with prisoners serving life.
One lifer is Joyce Garbett. She was given a life sentence in June 1975, along with Colin Robinson, for the murder of
Gertrude Thomas (79) in Chester. Can't see their records on Black Kalendar, but i may have overlooked them.
Source: "Mother of two gets life for Widow's murder" Cheshire Observer Friday 13th June 1975.
An interesting documentary. They don't reveal the full names of the prisoners. Though they give first names and some details of their crimes.
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Post by Admin on May 25, 2020 18:31:11 GMT
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Post by Admin on May 25, 2020 23:44:31 GMT
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Post by Admin on May 25, 2020 23:54:18 GMT
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2020 0:29:51 GMT
Part the way through it says that the film crew were not allowed to interview notorious criminal etc. Strange that they have such a lengthy interview with David Cheeseman youtu.be/nVf79_r98Rk?t=2295A friend of 'Bob'. |
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Post by liferreilly on May 26, 2020 10:00:33 GMT
Thanks for the HMP 1976 link. I watched that, reminded me a bit of Ronnie Barker's Porridge, but without the comedy!
No-nonsense prison officers back then it would seem.
Ah David Cheeseman - I was trying to figure out who he was. Saw a documentary on 'Bob' recently. I should've made the connection.
There is a prison doc with Patrick Mackay in it. It's on youtube somewhere. I'll have a look for it and put a link.
PM is showing off his paintings in it! PM's crimes on the outside were more heinous than Bob's. Yet Bob is still caged like an animal,
while Mackay seems to have done time in an arts n craft centre by comparison!
Seems like the authorities are more interested in how prisoners react on the inside, than whatever they did on the outside.
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Post by liferreilly on May 26, 2020 10:33:59 GMT
I think the documentary is called Danger Men, but is labelled as: Paul Sykes Britains Hardest Prisoner (full documentary)
Youtube.com/watch?v=LkgxJyH_TfM
Mackay features in the first part of the documentary from about the 2mins 30 mark.
Sykes was a Heavyweight boxer who fought for the British title in the late 70s. He was also a violent psycho by most accounts.
Two of his sons ended up inside for murder.
There are probably a few more notorious people featured in the doc
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Post by ayrshireman on May 26, 2020 16:41:42 GMT
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Post by liferreilly on May 26, 2020 18:43:57 GMT
Hi Ayeshireman, thanks for the link
Says JG was released in 1991.So she served around 15 years it would seem,
for her part in a cruel and cowardly crime.
The only whole-life terms served, are the psychological ones by the victims families.
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Post by liferreilly on May 26, 2020 22:13:54 GMT
A more recent(ish) story about David Cheeseman.
Killer on day release cleared of rape. Link:
edp24.co.uk/news/killer-on-day-release-cleared-of-rape-1-689579
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Post by sportstergirl on May 27, 2020 7:55:10 GMT
Paul Sykes was in Blackpool a lot in the late 70s, especially the Ramsden Arms.The Ramsden was the pub where the BFC firm drank. One night Paul Sykes went into the vaults, saw around 10 of the firm there and asked them if they wanted a spanking one at a time or all at once. They chose all at once & kicked him to bits.3 days later he came in, slapped a £20 note on the bar & said to the barmaid "Get those lads a drink, that was the best night out I had for ages"
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Post by liferreilly on May 27, 2020 13:08:37 GMT
Sykes was definitely a sado-masochist. Often took on groups of doormen I've read. He used to walk into pubs, spit in someones pint,
then either get a free pint; a resulting fight; or both. Win/win for him.
The accounts of him inside are quite grim reading though. Was meant to be a bully and sexual abuser of quite a few of the younger inmates.
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Post by Admin on Jun 10, 2020 20:44:41 GMT
I think the documentary is called Danger Men, but is labelled as: Paul Sykes Britains Hardest Prisoner (full documentary) Youtube.com/watch?v=LkgxJyH_TfM Mackay features in the first part of the documentary from about the 2mins 30 mark. Sykes was a Heavyweight boxer who fought for the British title in the late 70s. He was also a violent psycho by most accounts. Two of his sons ended up inside for murder. There are probably a few more notorious people featured in the doc On the subject of Mackay www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/news/serial-killers-release-delayed-amidst-murder-probe-228542/ |
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Post by Admin on Jun 10, 2020 20:47:16 GMT
Looking at the map on the unsolved site set 1972 + 3 years seems there was only 1 murder in Kent www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?title=Valerie%20Osmond&key=697#browseCant imagine who they think he killed. However, the site infor is not complete to any extent for that period. Wikipedia says he was suspected of 11 murders. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_MackayHowever, it also says that he is under a whole life tarrif but I dont see any other links for that, considering that he was convicted of manslaughter and is intheory being considered for release? that doesn't make sense. Well. I do have a full set of Real Life Crimes and on page 1199 it starts to details the unsolved cases. Intriging. I hvae never really considered this case beore somehow confusing it with another similar case, which I cant rememner, but it was the dude that wanted to be famous and told people they would read his name in the paper and kill one man in a shed or something. Had a funny hair cut and goofy teeth. Anthony Arkwright www.blackkalendar.nl/c/1517/Anthony%20ArkwrightCant be bothered to list all of Patrick Mackay's suspected murders, 11 apparently, I think including the three he was convicted for. But the fact that he admitted to them makes me think that it might be true as it would have been a lot harder back then to figure that stuff out unless you read the newspapers every day and kept notes. |
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Post by liferreilly on Jun 10, 2020 22:08:28 GMT
Yeah Arkwright had the look of a werewolf about him. Neither him nor Mackay should ever get out alive.
It's sickening to read he's up for release. He killed up to eleven people, but not to worry folks, he's all better now
and he's promised never to do it again? The parole boards are just as sick and twisted as some of the people they review.
I've not read mackay's case in a while, but i just read the wikipedia page. I swear that's been edited since last time i saw it.
Very few details about the other victims.
He was found guilty of the manslaughter of three people. Originally up for five.
Below is one of the two cases against him that were dropped.
unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=861&termRef=Mary%20Hynes
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