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Post by liferreilly on Jul 17, 2020 22:21:17 GMT
Yes with Webb and Wardley the length was not really the actual murder - they would have been way past the minimums - even with Wardley killing a policeman - that's why some of these really long sentences are by people no-one has ever heard off .... Also there may be Lifers from Manslaughter on the grounds of Diminished Responsibility before 1966; and as to people found insane it is just possible there may be some still detained from the 1950s .... Matthew:) Thanks for the link. An interesting article. Any idea what happened with Marritt? Yeah I would imagine how prisoners react to life on the inside, plays the lion's share in how long they do. Seems in some cases that to Cold-bloodedly murder someone on the outside - you have a chance of parole; but to mess with the prison system - then no chance. You're right, there are sure to be murderers found insane, locked away in special hospitals for a very long time and barely ever heard of again. I was thinking that when i first posed the question. Doubt we'd be allowed to refer to them as prisoners today though. Who is Britain's current longest serving patient / client/ service user doesn't have the same ring to it!!
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Post by sportstergirl on Jul 18, 2020 9:37:31 GMT
Evil Geoffrey Graham Jones of Hall Green Birmingham has been quite rightly in prison since 1986 for hanging 17 year old Marian Terry for a video.
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Post by matthewspicer on Jul 18, 2020 17:26:51 GMT
Lifers - Manslaughter on the grounds of Diminished Responsibility
1) James Barclay (1960) served 29 years
2) Charles Kinley (1961) served 29 years
3) Edwin Sims (1961) Died-in-Custody 1990 - 29 years
4) Stephen Conway-Miller (1968) D-in-C - 39 years
5) Peter White (1977) served 27 years
6) Edward Wynne (1980) D-in-C 32 years
7) Paul Corrigan (1982) D-in-C 36 years
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Post by ayrshireman on Jul 19, 2020 15:34:12 GMT
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Post by ayrshireman on Jul 19, 2020 15:45:27 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jul 19, 2020 16:07:10 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jul 19, 2020 16:22:23 GMT
Lifers - Manslaughter on the grounds of Diminished Responsibility 1) James Barclay (1960) served 29 years 2) Charles Kinley (1961) served 29 years 3) Edwin Sims (1961) Died-in-Custody 1990 - 29 years 4) Stephen Conway-Miller (1968) D-in-C - 39 years 5) Peter White (1977) served 27 years 6) Edward Wynne (1980) D-in-C 32 years 7) Paul Corrigan (1982) D-in-C 36 years Interesting details, but I cant do much (on the site) without references. Also, I cant find Peter White in the British Newspaper archives. Maybe a spelling variant? Any idea of the victim?
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Post by matthewspicer on Jul 19, 2020 18:22:18 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jul 19, 2020 21:29:42 GMT
Considering the amount of time I have spent in the National Archives, I have not heard of these volumes: HO 384/160 HO 384/161 HO 384/162 HO 384/163 HO 384/164 I am a bit partial to stuff like that, but unfortunatly cant get there for a good while. I have added them to my 'to do' list, which is quite long now due to the virus thing and other isues.
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Post by chrisjg on Jul 20, 2020 4:51:14 GMT
Harry Herbert Gamble sentenced to death for murder on 19 June 1939
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Post by historian on Jul 20, 2020 13:33:09 GMT
During one of my working prison visits the subject came up of the longest serving prisoner. I was told that he was 83 and that he had served 58 years. It is very difficult to get the information from places like Broadmoor and Rampton.
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Post by matthewspicer on Jul 20, 2020 13:42:23 GMT
If u know that date of your prison visit we might be able to work it out .... from the past it was not uncommon to find people found insane on murder charges doing 50-59 years in Broadmoor etc .... I have yet to find one who actually did 60 years though ....
In the 'old' days deaths and even releases from B/M etc were simply reported in the press - British Newspaper Archives .... Plus Berkshire RO at Reading has ledgers full of lists and releases dates etc. (again old cases)
Matthew:)
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Post by historian on Jul 24, 2020 14:09:20 GMT
It has been a few months since my last visit due to the Covid restrictions. I support Miscarriage of Justice cases among other things. I was told of the longest serving prisoner by an inmate who I am writing a book about who has served nearly forty years for a murder he did not commit and is finally getting some justice. I do not recall him mentioning David Wardleys name but I will recheck with him. I believe there is a man who was committed in 1962 and I know he was still in custody until 2015. I am trying to dig the file case to find out. If it is not him then Wardley seems the most obvious.
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Post by liferreilly on Jul 24, 2020 17:15:32 GMT
It has been a few months since my last visit due to the Covid restrictions. I support Miscarriage of Justice cases among other things. I was told of the longest serving prisoner by an inmate who I am writing a book about who has served nearly forty years for a murder he did not commit and is finally getting some justice. I do not recall him mentioning David Wardleys name but I will recheck with him. I believe there is a man who was committed in 1962 and I know he was still in custody until 2015. I am trying to dig the file case to find out. If it is not him then Wardley seems the most obvious. Forty years? Wow. I'll not create a "what is the longest time time spent inside, in a miscarriage of justice case?" thread! Think Stephen Downing did around 27 years. There are probably some even longer I can't think of right now. Good luck with the book. It'll make an interesting read.
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Post by matthewspicer on Jul 24, 2020 19:27:52 GMT
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In terms of murder convictions for England & Wales for 1962 - which I have all them - it agrees to the OS, the only person I have nothing against is John Albert WOOD - Birmingham Assizes - 19-July-1962 .... Wardley - the last time I asked the Lifer Unit about him was August 2010 [The info. stopped with the FOIA LOL:)] .... He doesn't appear on the 1978-2014 list - never seen anything about him on google save a mention by a relative of the victim on a thread (after 2010) that he had served a very long time .... Maybe that 1962 case is Edward Webb (actually 1963) who died in 2017 and is now on here .... Again maybe a Lifer from diminished responsibility ...? Matthew:)
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