Tevendale did indeed die on that date, though he (and Sheila Garvie)had long been released by then. According to the second link below, Sheila Garvie passed away in November 2014. A week after turning 80. It also reports how the infamous farmhouse was (at the time) up for sale.
Its a system I have run for years and had taken ages to get this far, but it means that working backwards all the content is 'mine', in that I wote it. Its complex, in many cases the text is copied, mostly from the National Archives entires, but also, in many instances from other sites, such as the Tevendale entry. This is an endless task but I know have broken the main bulk. The link will need refreshing to see where I am at. I dont always work on it, but yesterday and today I have been, hence all these records popping through the system on the front page. It also involves getting rid of dupliates and also entries, mainly from National Archives, where the references were not guilty. THe National Archives is actually quite wrong in many instances. Often it says guilty, but that was a lesser offence.
This will take forever as I have yet to hit the Old Bailey records which start about 1914 and also go on forever and are difficult to interpret.
Hope that gives you an insight into the workings of it all. I think its all quite interesting really. But at the same time uite boring. Data management isn't everyones cup of tea.
Its quite interesting though because in cases were a person is found not guilty, you can still consider it unsolved. The line is fine. In particular because we dont have a 'not proven' verdict.
Sometimes not guilty is because it was self defence. Intent is a big one too. There is one case that sptings to mind, but I dont know where it is in which a woman shot her husband but said it was an accident. she was acquitted, but I am sure its in the unsolved as it was such a hit and miss case that I felt that it was still open for debte. However, technically, once the verdict is reached, that should be that.
This was one that I have considerable trouble with. When I first read it, I decided not to put it in, but it kept nagging at my head, especially when out running, but I couldn't find it again. About 3 years later I spent quite a lot of time, several hours, trying to find it and eventually did so.
Its open for debate, and I wonder how it would be treated today, but it struck me as though it should be included.
It works both ways. When someone is convicted, but we still consider it unsolved even though someone is serving time for it. There is one case in particualr, but I cant find it. A bloke was executed for a murder, and shortly before he was exacuted andother man confessed to the murder, but they exacuted him anyway. The man that confessed was considered to be lying and later reports suggested that he was, but he still went on to murder a woman. He said he had a compulsion to hit women over the head with a hammer.
So it can get all quite complicated really. hence the eternal allure.
another group I can't find is where do the "murder & suicide" cases go e.g. Michael Ryan (1987) Hungerford ....
I deliberatly dont include murder/suicide. Unless its doubtful. there is a case that psrings to mind but I cant find it. Man commits suide shortly after girl fround dead.
But cases like Michael Ryan I dont include.
Its as much by chance as anything else, but I prefer the site to lean towards the judicial implications of homicide and not the glorification of it. This is significant. Thats why there are pictures of prisons at the top of the qite. The subliminal message is that if you murder someone you go to jail. Of course, murder suicide is i=usally more dramatic and might incite a person to do just that. I can see younf people wanting to do a columbine themselves after reading the case. They are less likely to do so if they read that their favourite murderers died from colon cancer 35 years after their great dead in a small concrete chamber. As such, there is a claim to excluding them on moral principle. Further, there is not case on them other than an inquest. You cannot say that Michael Ryan murdered these people. He might have manslaughtered them.
Its something that often bugs me, but I am happy with it as it helps me to defferenitate the site from ghouls that just want blood and gore and pain etc and have no interest in the judical factors and the force of law.
The Greeks would actually remove all trace of murderers from history, that was how they did it. This site does the opposite, its like a Pannini sticker album of murderers. But at least we can exclude such people that consider murder suicide as a way to notoriety after looking at this site.
Prison is a horrible place, and in deterence that should be communicated.
THe only legitimate people to benefit from such cases woule social workers etc that would try to figure out why they did it.
Also, beyond Michael Ryan there are countless other cases that are of no notoriety in their own right. Men that kill their wifes and then commit suicide. So in sum total I dont see it as appropriate.
Its something I often think about though because you might have thought I could easily do it.
Yes I agree with u some of it is quite subjective - the police actually regard a crime as solved when someone is CHARGED regardless of the outcome, which I don't agree with ....
on my system I wouldn't have the farmer as a murder-homicide - I have them classed as 'non-homicide" - that brief outline read to me self-defence/reasonable force - he told the jury he did it and was acquitted ....
that other case is Walter Rowland (1947) - the other man David Ware attacked another woman but it was attempted murder .... with Rowland, and any other case, until the conviction is quashed I would classify it as 'guilty' ....
I suppose my argument would be - especially the old cases - that there was an inquest that recorded that 'Smith murdered his wife and committed suicide' - so it was a judicial process - it was officially recorded ....
I never approached the subject from a moral/philosophical POV - it was the lists, reconciling to the Official Stats. etc., rather like being interested in football or cricket stats .... a sense of history - something to be recorded ....
e.g. list of policeman murdered on duty .... to me, and its just my opinion, of course; it would seem to me not complete to leave a policeman off because his killer c/suicide ....
Some interesting insights. The Thomas Goulding case is quite sad. Killed for scrumping apples. I remember reading the Beano/Dandy etc when i was a kid. Dennis the Menace et al seemed to be robbing orchards every week! According to Sheffield Independent 3rd October 1928, it was Edward John Goulding, aged 43 who was shot dead. His brother Thomas Goulding (no age given) was wounded. Shades of the Tony Martin case about that one. Though the Gouldings hadn't broken into his home as such.
I know I shouldn't, but the phrase 'Pannini Sticker book of murderers' made me laugh! Envisioning swapsies in the school playground! Hard to comprehend how anyone could glorify murderers. These people are the reason kids can't play out unsupervised or women cannot go out walking anywhere or anytime they feel.
Shame nobody could invent an empathy drug, that we could give to all newborns. I'll stop now, don't want to get all Bill Gates on everybody. LR