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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 20:06:14 GMT
www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/18720458.dennis-nilsen-drama-starring-david-tennant-air-tonight/Cant say i'll be watching it, as I dont have a TV. But I always find it ironic that shows like this are made. What about all the other cases? or does the fact that 'didn't he do well' overide the nature of his crimes and make it ok to create entertainment from? Who decides what cases are amplified in popular culture and which are buried? Peopple like Dennis Neilson are so rare that theres nothing to learn. Whenever I see stuff like this, my first reaction is to consider what I call his 'neighbours, ie: www.blackkalendar.nl/c/11787/Richard%20Turnerwww.blackkalendar.nl/c/25173/Stanley%20DingleyPeople convicted before and after in the Black Kalendar. What about those stories? Nothing to learn their? I guess a TV program about a man that strangled his wife after she taunted him about her lovers and got a suspended sentence doesnt constitute entertainment, as opposed to sleeping with and eating dead men. I think it goes without saying that a dramatisation of Stanley Dingley's case wouldn't be of any interest to anyone ever. It certainly wouldn't be funny or hilarious or anything like that.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 20:19:21 GMT
Whilst there are probably quite a lot of decent 'crime' films and dramatisations, I seem to recall enjoying the Black Panther film, the only one that really caught my imagination was 'Fargo'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_(film)Which I gather was made from the concepts of several real world inspired murders that were stitched together into a film. I often thought of doing something like that myself, not that I have the resources, but something along the lines of a that but where the lead character was simply a non-participant who, by chance was in close proximity to five or six murders, but was never a part of any of them. For example, he might have delivered pizza to Zahid Younis, parked up in a car park, leaving just as Kiyran Earnshaw and Luke Gaukroger arrived, popped into a garage as Joel Ellis was getting petrol and got lost and stopped to look at his map outside Michael Bryant's house, etc etc. You could go on.
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Post by liferreilly on Sept 14, 2020 20:56:16 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_(film)Which I gather was made from the concepts of several real world inspired murders that were stitched together into a film. I often thought of doing something like that myself, not that I have the resources, but something along the lines of a that but where the lead character was simply a non-participant who, by chance was in close proximity to five or six murders, but was never a part of any of them. For example, he might have delivered pizza to Zahid Younis, parked up in a car park, leaving just as Kiyran Earnshaw and Luke Gaukroger arrived, popped into a garage as Joel Ellis was getting petrol and got lost and stopped to look at his map outside Michael Bryant's house, etc etc. You could go on. I liked Fargo. Thought the first series of the TV show was good too. I'm sure some films and tv programmes are influenced by real murders. Off the top of my head, the guy who wrote Scream (1996) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scream_(1996_film) based that on the American serial killer Danny Rolling, the Gainesville Ripper. Though i couldn't tell by watching it. I agree with your point about the Nilsen programme. Fred West and John Christie have had recent tv dramas made about them. Maybe producers like the 'house of horrors' theme, which would link the three? Just guessing! There are hundreds of british crimes that would make interesting viewing. Helps if they have a talking point/debate i.e The Ruth Ellis case or as you say, we can learn something from them. Otherwise it's easy to just go for sensationalism route. As for your idea about someone who was in close proximity to five or six murders. You could have an innocent man, locked up for life, surrounded by real killers and he tells their backstories, as he cowers in his cell at night!
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 21:01:49 GMT
Thats an interesting idea. Reminds me of Tom Waitts Down By Law en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_by_Law_(film)The bit where they all disclose their crimes. I think there would need to be a twist. It could be a 'prison guard' goes through 6 murders in a bizare, semi-sureal condition only to wake at the end to find that their prison van transporting a bunch of murderers has crashed into the river near Wakefield and the dude has relived all their most pressing experiences as they all sadly drowned in the river. It could end with him being given CPR or the electric paddles and waking up and saying, 'thank f**k for that, it was all a dream', but then there could be another twist or two so you never really know. I have often got the impression, I dont know how, that film directors and writers etc have used the site for ideas.
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Post by liferreilly on Sept 14, 2020 21:27:55 GMT
I have often got the impression, I dont know how, that film directors and writers etc have used the site for ideas. I would imagine so. Maybe more so article writers and tv doc creators. Black Kalendar would make a great title, for say a ten part drama series, focused on little known cases from the archives. Rather than these modern documentaries that mainly feature talking-head psychologists, talking to the viewer as if they're simple. There was talk a few years ago, of making a film about Archibald Hall. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Hall Reading through his life and crimes, you could easily see that film/drama in your mind.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 21:32:34 GMT
Yes, Archibald Hall has all the ingredients for a succesful BBC drama
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Post by liferreilly on Sept 14, 2020 21:52:51 GMT
There was an old itv series from c 1981 called Ladykillers. I remember it years ago, probably repeated as i was a bit young on the first showing. It's that little known, it doesn't have its own wikipedia page. Series one was Crippen; Neville Heath and the like. The second series featured on women who killed: Amelia Dyer; Ruth Ellis etc www.imdb.com/title/tt0272992/episodes?year=1981&ref_=tt_eps_yr_1981I'd watch that type of series, made about slightly newer cases.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 22:00:45 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh46SukWHSs&list=PLrdXyZeNwaAzTU1C8xV-oZAfjkqB9_Ylv&ab_channel=TudorheadLadykillers - Ruth Ellis I think there is also the issue of nostalgia for the periods to factor in. The Ruth Ellis video looks dated, but it seems to bring back the sentiment of the 1980s, which I remember. THe subject is mearly the carrier for that nostalgia. I think that is something that makes the Black Kalender somewhat appealing to some, the fact that its like some kind of time machine that people can dip into at will. I have always looked forward to doing the 1960s and 1970s in the unsolved, but thats in part because they always struck me as the 'golden' years of our culture, but for those of the age where I determined that, the golden age has probably moved on to the 1990s. By golden years, I think you can define that as the years a persons parents were 'young' or courting. The images from family photo albums and the history they contain. THe 1960s and 1970s are probably now as boring to the young people of today as the 1940s were to me, and still are. I have always thought that the Black Kalendar was useful for people with alsiemers or just old people. I gather that many old people are often desperate for some essence of their past. Being text focussed its harder work, but often when I look at 1980s news clips I really get that sense too. Even some of the comments in the linked video demonstrate that: 'I've not heard that into and outro music in 37 years. Amazing the memories that come back.'
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 22:32:32 GMT
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Post by liferreilly on Sept 14, 2020 22:44:01 GMT
I suppose the younger we are the more we absorb. Things are new to us and exciting. With age comes experience, but also repeats. A sense we've seen it all before. Maybe we get nostalgic for a time when we had enthusiasm and no cynicism!
I'm sure teens today, will in thirty years time, look back at 2020 as long-ago halcyon days!
I used to watch Crimewatch from its inception. I've watched old episodes on youtube. This website makes a great double act with the episodes. Watch the case file, then click on BK to see if it was solved! World in Action; Rough Justice etc I grew up watching these type of programmes. Real investigative journalists. Not sure it's just nostalgia. I think television definitely had more of a backbone back then.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 22:57:44 GMT
THe psychology today link says
'However, it's not simply a yearning for the past in a generic sense that drives people to try to relive past decades. A phenomenon called the "reminiscence bump" (Rubin et al., 1998) leads adults of all ages to remember with great clarity and fondness the years of their own youth. Autobiographical memory, your recall of the events of your life, is sharpest for the events spanning roughly the ages of 15 to 30. As you think back on your past, you're most likely to be able to generate strong mental images of what you were doing at that time, perhaps even to the date. It's literally, a "bump" in your ability to remember what happened during these key critical years of life.'
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 23:04:33 GMT
I think that it was Rik Mayall and the writers of the Young Ones that stated that they were writing for the first generation that had spent their youth in front of a television. I think that the television as such will play a formative influence in nostalgia in that context. But I think things have changed with people being in front of computers and smart phones. What will they remember?
I'm not saying its bad, but recalling the past wont be as simple because web sites, for example, simply dont exist. Online apps wont exist, complete memories wiped out.
This is why I am a fan of 'the mug', a simple item you can buy from a web site to remember that you were ever on it. Not that I have bought any mugs, but the principle is the same.
Im sure it will all pan out, i'm not trying to be dramatic about the decline of 'nostalgic' potential, but I think it will have an effect and will be made up of things we have not considered.
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Post by liferreilly on Sept 14, 2020 23:31:05 GMT
Rik Mayall was brilliant. I remember thinking the other week, when i posted that link to John Cannan's dating video. That RM could've portrayed him brilliantly. Like an even colder, twisted, sociopathic but more down at heel version of Alan B'stard.
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Post by ayrshireman on Sept 21, 2020 19:47:40 GMT
Des was terrific TV and if Tennant does not win anything for that performance, well I dont know. Same for Daniel Mays.
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