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Broadmoor
Sept 2, 2020 22:40:50 GMT
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Post by Robin sykes on Sept 2, 2020 22:40:50 GMT
I have just watched a documentary on Broadmoor and for me this place should not have ever been built. John staffen escaped(over a 10 foot wall) to murder again within hours, for me these are worse than whole lifers except there is a view to get them released at some point. I recently posted about Barry Williams as one example, but they wouldn't take Peter Bradley cos he was too evil? A bloke I can't remember who said if someone can get out of bed in the morning and tie his shoe lace get dressed etc then they are sane and should just go to prison, Im not able to articulate my thoughts as much as others but the place is ridiculous in my opinion. Aren't they all mentally ill to some degree. So if you can convince the authorities your a schizophrenic so it's basically battle of the bulls**t.
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Post by Admin on Sept 2, 2020 23:16:11 GMT
I think you need to distinguish between between Broadmoor as a hospital and as a prison.
Asylums have been big business for centruies, 2-300 years. If you read newspapers from 1830 etc you'll find reference to 'idiots asylums' and 'lunatic asylums' etc. THey were I think an extension of the poor houses.
As such, the definition of being people being 'idiots' was commonplace. People that were depressed would go there.
I think that from then you got the problem of people becoming institutionalised.
Broadmoor was designed to fit the mould of countless asylums across the country, but with the added security features.
As such, they were not specifically for lunatics, but people that had some mental health condition.
I thik that the issue you mention regarding sanity and being able to tie your shoe laces, thats a separate issue and needs to be defined by the concept of insanity. I dont think that most people truly understand what that means. Personally I prefer to hold fire on that as I have never 'cared' for a person that might be 'insane'. But I think that the issue would be clear to one and all way before they ties their shoelaces up and went out and murdered someone. Many of these people in these hospitals have serious behavoural problems, including selfharm and erratic tendencies. It might be worth reading a boo on 'insanity' from 1900 to give you an idea.
I used to live near St Bernards Hospital when it was a mental hospital. I never quite noticed myself, but I was told you could see the lunatics sitting out on the lawns from the top of the 207 bus as it went my. I used that bus for years, and yes, you could see the grounds, but I dont recall seeing lunatics, just the odd person wandering about here and there.
I do believe that places like that are important, but the idea that a normal person can suddenly be considered insane because they want a defence to murder is riduculous. There was a charity shop in Leeds called MIND, I think, and I remember in 1993 it had a poster in the window 'A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Loose', and that always struck me as intriging and even today I think there is a balance of value to be lain against the well-being of a persons mind and the reality that a person might loose that mind. To loose hope also.
Many people fall behind and this all becaomes a real issue, and its something that healthy people dont care about. Its easy to say 'pull yourself together' but if all the things in life that offer value are gone and there is no realistic chance of getting them, it can have an effect.
You can see all this in the newspapers. Women killing their children because they don't want them to have the sort of life they have. People arriving at the conclusion that they are of no value. Its all quite straight forward when you understand, and thats what the asylums were really all about.
And as said, Broadmoor was an extension to that. For example, around 1900-1940 there are tons of examples of fathers killing all their children and wives. They had real mental health issues and they broke down, and Broadmoor was for that sort of person. A person that clearly needed help.
But that is all abused now I think. People that interchange provocation with insanity. Things like that.
For example, to get into Broadmoor or Rampton, you have to have something that consider is 'cureable'. This by definition implies that its temporary.
Some people murdered people because they thought that people were conspiring to send them to the mental hospital.
Theres one case, I cant remember where, but its a pub, and the wife is in a mental hospital and her husband bends over backwards to get her out and back home. She then shoots him with a shotgun on the premises.
However, I still think that the mental hospitals are just a big cash cow.
I wonder if there are any good books on insanity, drug use, mental health and the judicial system?
THe intersting thing with mad people is they often make a lot of sense. I think that thats interesting because it touches on the intricate social structure that we all accept. There are things happening that are not right, conspiracies and injustices, and often these mentally ill people are just flat up against these issues, and not much more, but are not very good at explaining it.
I ofen think tat the government is the biggest driver behind mental illness and murder with its policies and laws. The more people are denied the right to express their feelings honestly, regardless of what they are, the more pent up all that frustration will be and the more it will blow up in crime. Of course, none of them are insane in the literal sense.
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Post by Admin on Sept 2, 2020 23:18:17 GMT
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Post by Admin on Sept 2, 2020 23:26:40 GMT
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Post by Admin on Sept 2, 2020 23:46:50 GMT
Interesting really. There are three cases that spring to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Holmes_(mass_murderer)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jun_Lin#Trialen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Ray_UnderwoodObviously the first two are very high profile. They all tried to plead insanity or diminished responsibility of some sort. However, only Kevin Ray Underwood was sentenced to death. It alsways stuck me that he was, if anyone could be, mentally ill. I read his blog at the time and it just stuck me as that of a totally sane person, or rather a totally normal person that was otherwise rejected in life at many levels. Crap job, rejected from the prison service (irony) and luckless in love. He was on medication, whatever that does, and ended up killing a girl that played on his doorstep. If anything that demonstrated a mental illness. It was right thre in front of him and in his claustrophobic mind he came up with a bizarre idea to eat her and bought a meat tenderiser and killed her but couldn't go through with eating her. Point being, he was clearly not thinking properly as it was obvious his house would be searched at somepoint. He simply hadn't thought it through at all and was clearly not in charge of his faculties. However, th other two, Magnotta and Holmes, both devised well thought out plans to kill other people, and they are both in prison for life. I seldom consider US crime, but the Kevin Ray Underwood case struck me for some reason at the time. I read his blog a few times and I would say that he was as sane as anyone, but clearly sinking in a way someone could have helped him with. His blog is now gone, I don't know if its archived, but that last entry was something to the effect of him lamenting his small hit rate, ie no one visiting his blog and reading it and having figured out a way to increase his traffic. I think that if he is executed that it would not be what I would say was the correct thing but I thik his fate is sealed.
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Post by Admin on Sept 3, 2020 0:46:37 GMT
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Broadmoor
Sept 3, 2020 8:49:17 GMT
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Post by Robin sykes on Sept 3, 2020 8:49:17 GMT
Thanks admin, Great reply. Some really useful information I'm gonna definitely read more into this, cheers.
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Broadmoor
Sept 3, 2020 23:58:02 GMT
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Post by Robin sykes on Sept 3, 2020 23:58:02 GMT
It seems a huge factor that a person's IQ is a precursor to criminal activity by in large, read some brilliant material today on this.
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Broadmoor
Sept 4, 2020 0:09:11 GMT
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Post by Robin sykes on Sept 4, 2020 0:09:11 GMT
I don't really agree with an IQ test being an accurate test because I myself consider myself quite on the low side but I am massively inquisitive about everything! I have done tests before and they are not that daunting, but never had a score done. Imagine there was a range where you were most likely to commit certain crimes and would it ever stand up in court? I mean you can't cheat that can you?
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Post by Admin on Sept 4, 2020 0:46:55 GMT
IQ is far to gauge and your right, a test is not ideal as they can be learned. Also, I doubt they can test all murderers to generate meaningful statistics on it.
I did an IQ test when I was 15 for Mensa and got about 140, or at least I qualified for membership. I think I would be hesistant to do a test now as I might reveal myself to be an idiot.
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